Jim Kukral - Latest Comments in Follow Up: The A-List Is Still Dead

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Pure Krill Oil — Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:21:55 -0000

It's really too bad if the A-list died, hopefully this thing doesn'y happen again.

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Teknoloji — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 08:52:19 -0000

you still linked to them jim ;)

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John Ettorre — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:08:30 -0000

Jim, you're certainly not my only trusted friend/web guru who's been trying to convert me on the issue of Twitter. And hell, I may try it if only to have the chance to break bread with you, which is always wothwhile, no matter who's paying. If I do take the dive (only on a trial basis), you'll be the first to know, amigo.

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Jim Kukral — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:03:16 -0000

Correct. Thanks for the comment.

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Jim Kukral — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:02:38 -0000

I'm defining success in this argument as short-term fame from a very small niche tech audience... in other words, the dead a-list. You and I agree fundamentally. I haven't built my brand and reputation up to what it is in a short time... in online years. I've been doing this since 2001, and it has paid off and we're both right.

Quit underestimating the Twitter John. How about this? You give it 30 days of trying it. One update a day at least. If you still think it's crap after that, lunch is on me at Nates. Or vice versa. Let me know when you sign up so I can follow you.

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John Ettorre — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:07:57 -0000

Okay, then, we'll just have to disagree about that, or at least about what constitutes a long time horizon. I guess that goes to our larger disagreement about what constitutes real success. I think it's earned slowly, brick by brick. But after a number of years of doing the right things, it all comes together nicely. You're talking about a series of short-term tactics; I'm talking about a long-term strategy. And if you were to substitute A-list bloggers for widely read and closely followed writers, I don't think the argument that they've become passe holds up very well. Just as in any creative pursuit--movies, music, whatever, people accumulate favorite artists who have delivered something they're interested in over time, and thus they return to seek out their new material. That's a dynamic as old as the hills, and one that will never go away. And I don't see how tactical tools such as Twitter are in much of a position to really change that. But we'll see how that unfolds.

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Spearypearl — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 23:45:26 -0000

What some of the newer tools like FriendFeed, Twitter, etc have enabled is for people to grow an audience more quickly and assume those roles once harder to achieve. This also has led to traditional would-be A-listers growing frustrated with the new sites and avoiding them because their brand doesn't 100% carry over.

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Jim Kukral — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:16:36 -0000

Torley, epic video! Thanks for leaving it. I'm soooo glad you like what I'm doing here and I hope it inspires you or helps you be successful in some way! Please come back again!

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Jim Kukral — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:14:35 -0000

Actually John, you're missing my point. Again! Before social networking tools like Twitter and Friendfeed and all this stuff, it was very hard to get noticed even if you had high-quality stuff. Ok, it just took longer, that's fair to say.

The a-list benefited for a long time because of this. That's part of the reason why "it" died.

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John Ettorre — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:45:12 -0000

It's like I've always said: in the end, quality over time wins the race. It's really that simple. If you have nothing interesting to say over time, it becomes obvious. If you do, and you can sustain it over a number of years (like, say, Godin), there's precious little competition in that niche. So no matter what you call it--A list or whatever--the cream rises to the top and stays there. And surface buzz doesn't help much over time.

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TORLEY 🍉 — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:14:13 -0000

thanx 4 being positive, Jim!

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TORLEY 🍉 — Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:11:40 -0000

If they give you attention, they think you're worth paying time/energy to... even if they claim otherwise. :)

Some folks are just psychological contrarians that say the opposite to get a rise out of others. Ah, baited reactions.

Jim, your kids in the RSS feed image is SO cute and original. What a wonderful way to attract attention. If ye might consider, I'd suggest less JPG compression the next time — it really fringes the edges around your children's heads and the text, making it distracting to read.

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Mike — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:40:23 -0000

I personally do not listen to any of the "A" list and I never will, there are too many ways to get information this ways, I talk to my own group of people like friends, family and share information on the daily basis, actually I do not even watch tv any more, tools like Twitter, IM and Myspace make it so easy to share information between friends, specially now with the latest mobile devices.

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mayankgupta — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 07:22:16 -0000

I gotta say - these kind of guys suck and they are shit and I don't know why people act so stupidly as if they are superior than others. And another thing which adam missed - you are also creating a controversy, although something which is worth commenting :)

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Jim Kukral — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:17:56 -0000

Haha, nice. True I guess.

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AdamSinger — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:01:59 -0000

you still linked to them jim ;)

Re: Follow Up: The A-List Is Still Dead

Jim Kukral — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:43:13 -0000

I'm in agreement with both of you guys.

Nobody cares about this topic anymore, I realize that. I just thought a follow up was in order.

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Scobleizer — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:42:57 -0000

Louis: it's worse than that. Lots of A listers don't want to spend their time building traffic for FriendFeed, where they get no advertising benefit (er, page views). Me? I assume that the page view model is totally broken anyway and I want to be part of the "Live Web" which FriendFeed is the leader in. So that's where I'm spending most of my time lately. Has it hurt my brand? Absolutely. But who really gives a crap about that? I still am getting extraordinary access to interesting people and companies and I'm having extraordinary conversations every day. The rest of this stuff? Noise.

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Louis Gray — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:17:12 -0000

There will always be people who are known well vs. those who are more anonymous. What some of the newer tools like FriendFeed, Twitter, etc have enabled is for people to grow an audience more quickly and assume those roles once harder to achieve. This also has led to traditional would-be A-listers growing frustrated with the new sites and avoiding them because their brand doesn't 100% carry over.

But... I expect to see posts with your same headline here a few times a year. :-)

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Scobleizer — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:53:15 -0000

The A-list has been dead for some time. I am crashing the Z-list party where all the reality is. Louis Gray tells me it's more fun. We'll see.

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Debra Conrad — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:37:51 -0000

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I don't understand it...

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the day John Carlton ripped me a new one

A-listers using same old subject lines... the same old way...

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